Indian Giver

Buddah records released a string of "bubblegum" records during the 60's -- light, do-nothing music meant to appeal to the psychedelia-minded who didn't want to deal with all that nasty talk of drugs and politics. Groups like 1910 Fruitgum Co and Ohio Express were really thinly-veiled covers; the real work behind these albums came from the producers at Buddah.

On this piece of vinyl, the Fruitgum Co. delivers its classically incorrect hit, Indian Giver (which still gets occasional airplay today despite its awful racial connotations). Even better is a cut called 1910 Cotton Candy Castle, a track that reminds me of a Beatles song shined up and made digestable for the masses.

J.M.Chivington says:
Quit yer bitchin (02-28-2004)

Ian Dawson says:
heya howa heya howa (02-27-2004)

Native American says:
No one believes pieces of shit like you. So trying to steer someone to a website that is most likely not yours is about as smart as "GT" who made this pathetic comment:

" Secondly, the word "Indian" has been attributed to Columbus' Italian when he wrote that the native peoples he encountered were Una Gente in Dios, A People in God. (guess they missed you) India wasn't called India in 1492, so no, the Caribbean where Columbus landed did not look like India"

It is a historical fact the Dumblumbus thought he was in India! But GT wants to rewrite history. So "Kenny", you should be thankful that total morons like you and GT are allowed to post here. Otherwise your comments would only make people around you laugh. (02-19-2004)

Kenny Wickman says:
What the fuck? I was here first! So I should own Everything. I even got my own website as proof;

http://www.kennewick-man.com

So, Fuck You all! (02-12-2004)

Native American says:
"Both"?

Hmmmmm, this genius's math skills stop at two.

"ashole"?

It's a shame that you can't even spell the source from which your own "food" is "sucked" from, or the place from which your whore mother bore you.

Another son of a whore who makes me rethink my stance on pro-life.

Howabout just burning the bitces tubes so they don't produce shit, which we have to look at later?

I'm writing my congressman! (02-09-2004)

Fuck Off you stupid shitz! says:
You all sukk shit form my hairy ashole!

I hope you both die!

This site SUCCKSS! (02-07-2004)

Native American says:
Wow, I am so impressed. Who knew an ignorant racist could get so creative with his made up and borrowed names. (02-04-2004)

Adolf Hitler (schwinhund@hellhole.com) says:
I'll give you good stuffing mit mine bratwurst! Und I only had one testicle!

Herman Goering thinks you are cute too. Come and join up!
Yours,
Dolfy Wolfy (02-03-2004)

Native American says:
This message board seems to get more traffic from people who really care about this ongoing topic. Or is it 1 maybe 2 people who cannot seem to get comfortable with one alias and the inability to make a sensible point?
"Lack of Keyboard Skills" ?
I would say that anyone who knows any extra step like engaging the caps lock on a key board in fact, does have key board skills. There are 2 kinds of people who don't like it when people type with all caps. Faggots, and those who have not come out of the closet yet. Not even women give a shit whether or not people use all caps.
Big letters intimidate sissies. Fact is, letters are letters. If you can read it, stop bitching like a girl taco bitch, who just got turned down by all 3 judges on American (Whata Joke) Idol.

THE REAL GHANDI IS TURNING IS HIS GRAVE, NOT JUST BECAUSE A DWEEB IS USING HIS NAME, BUT BECAUSE A DWEEB THAT LOVES THE FEEL OF A PENIS UP HIS ASS IS USING HIS NAME. (02-02-2004)

Mohandas K. Ghandi (niravana@elysianfields.com) says:
Me and Martin Luther (and Dr. ML King) have been discussing the particluar issue of whether writng In ALL CAPS is a sign of Exitement or Lack of Keyboard Skills. It sounds like a Personal Issue that you need to work out. Enlightenment doesn't come easy, but seek it you should.

The World is always going to be full of Foolish Individuals who proclaim their way is better than others, but they seldom stand up for what they believe in through action and or deed.

Vilence and Anger only lead to the path of Violence and Anger. We all hope you will find the road to Peace.

Blessings!

Mohandas K. "Mahatma" Ghandi (02-02-2004)

NATIVE AMERICAN! says:
GT, I GUESS YOU DON'T WANT TO MEET UP AND DISCUSS THIS. I AM SURE YOU WILL BE BACK EVENTUALLY. PERHAPS WITH NEW INITIALS OR A NEW NAME. WELL JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT IS YOU THAT CANNOT DEBATE THE ISSUE. I WOULD DEFEAT YOU ON ONE ISSUE, AND THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK THE NEXT DAY ARGUING A NEW SUBJECT AND ACTING LIKE IT WAS THE SAME SUBJECT THAT I COULD NOT ANSWER. YOU ARE TOO DUMB TO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE BEAT.

CHIEF SEATTLE,

GO FUCK YOURSELF! (01-31-2004)

Chief Seattle (dead@spiritworld.com) says:
What does all this hafta do with this record? C'mon everybody lets all smoke from the Peace Pipe and stop the Blame Game. Hatered and Inequality is our Enemy, not each other.

BTW the 1910 Fruitgum C. Rocks!

Oh yeah, and Jimi, Jesse Ed Davis and Elvis all say Hello!

"C'mon People now smile on yer brother, everybody get to gether an Love one another right now"

Amen! (01-30-2004)

GT says:
Dimbulb: First of all, "Native Americans" are not natives. They came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. You have no more claim to this land than I do. Actually, there probably aren't any natives anywhere in the world. Secondly, the word "Indian" has been attributed to Columbus' Italian when he wrote that the native peoples he encountered were Una Gente in Dios, A People in God. (guess they missed you) India wasn't called India in 1492, so no, the Caribbean where Columbus landed did not look like India.

Your immature profanity, not to mention your inability to debate with facts, is proof that you are an uneducated boob, who probably works at McDonalds in between gigs at the carwash. By the way, swizzle stick, how'd you like the album? (01-29-2004)

NATIVE AMERICAN! says:
ACTUALLY GT, I WAS NOT THE ONE "WHO BROUGHT IT UP"! I THINK YOU NEED TO REREAD THIS FORUM, I AM THE WHO BROUGHT IT TO A CLOSE! BUT THEN YOUR PANSY, WHINY ASS SHOWS UP TO TYPE MORE BULLSHIT THAT MAKES NO SENSE WHAT-SO-EVER! A NEW HANDLE! GT? I AM CERTAIN THAT THE G EITHER STANDS FOR GENOCIDAL, GENITALS, OR GIRLY (SOMETHING). BUT THE I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT. WHAT'S THAT? GIRL TACO? ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME THAT YOU ARE A PUSSY? FINE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONVINCE ME. I PRETTY MUCH NEW THAT AS SOON AS YOU STARTED COMPLAINING LIKE A BITCH WHO JUST LEARNED THAT SHE TOOK IT UP THE ASS FOR NOTHING... THAT'S WHAT YOU GET AFTER A $28 DINNER FOR TWO AT RED LOBSTER GIRL TACO... WHY NOT TRY TO GET YOUR HISTORY FROM AN ACTUAL WORLD HISTORY BOOK (WRITTEN BY A NATIVE AMERICAN) INSTEAD OF LADIES HOME JOURNAL! YOU TOOK SEVERAL (SOMEWHAT) HISTORICAL TOPICS AND GROSSLY EXAGGERATED, DISTORTED, AND JUST PLAIN LIED ABOUT THEM. SINCE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT NATIVE AMERICAN, I FEEL I SHOULD INFORM YOU THAT THE ISSUE AT HAND HERE IS AMERICA, WHO WAS HERE FIRST, AND WHAT THE TERM "INDIAN GIVER" MEANS. WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR DEAL WITH THINKING ALL OF THAT OTHER SHIT YOU TYPED APPLIES HERE? WHERE DID YOU GET THIS "OWE" SHIT? WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING. REAL AMERICANS (NATIVE AMERICANS) COULD TRULY GIVE A FLYING FUCK AT A ROLLING DONUT LESS ABOUT ALL OF THOSE OTHER COUNTRIES AND ATROCITIES THAT YOU (FOR THE MOST PART) LIED ABOUT! WHAT MATTERS TO US IS OR LAND, THE TRUTH, AND HOW THE LACK OF IT FROM ASSHOLES LIKE YOU HAS AFFECTED US.

"American Indians conquered plenty of other tribes"

THEIR LAND, THEIR RACE, THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS. WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN RACE'S HISTORICAL PROBLEMS AND GET A LIFE PUSSY! NAME ONE COUNTRY THAT DID NOT KILL EACH OTHER!

"and killed lots of Europeans in America"

?????????? UHH..... DUH! WHEN FOREIGN PIGS COME OVER HERE AND RAPE AND MUTILATE THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN, DAMN-FUCKING-STRAIGHT NATIVE AMERICANS ARE GOING TO KILL THOSE PIGS! BTW, THAT COMMENT DEFINITELY SLIPPED PAST THE COCK, AND CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF YOUR ASS! I KNOW, I KNOW, THOSE MEAN OL' SMALL TRIBE OF INDIANS, HOW DARE THEY HURT THOSE POOR THOUSANDS OF WHITEY'S WITH BIG PISTOLS, RIFLES AND CANNONS WITH THEIR MEAN OL' (LITTLE) BOWS & ARROWS, WHEN THE ONLY THING THE POOR WHITE'S WERE DOING WAS MUTILATING THE NATIVE'S ENTIRE FAMILIES ON THEIR OWN LAND, RIGHT BEFORE THEY STOLE IT FROM THEM! SHAME ON THOSE MEAN OL' INJUNS!

HINT, THOSE "EUROPISSHEADS" WERE ON THEIR LAND ASSHOLE, GET A CLUE! BTW, IT'S NOT "INDIAN". DOES THIS LAND YOUR PEOPLE STOLE LOOK LIKE INDIA TO YOU COCK KISSER?! THINK ABOUT THAT WHILE YOUR DELICATE SKIN GETS BURNED WHILE YOU SIT OUTSIDE AND SIP YOUR LATTE ON YOUR BREAK FROM YOUR JOB AT THE GAP!

"If the Cherokees could have built ship and sailed to Europe, maybe they could have "sparked genocide."

THAT KIND OF RHETORIC IS WHAT MAKES PEOPLE LOOK AT YOU AND START TO SUPPORT ABORTION. YEAH, AND MAYBE THE LONE RANGER COULDA HEADED 'EM OFF AT THE PASS, AND STOPPED 'EM BY GOLLY! AND SNOW WHITE WOULDA PINNED A MEDAL ON HIM FOR SAVING THOSE POOR EUROPEEINGS.

REALITY, IT'S A GOOD THING MARTHA....

"You live here now my friend, stop bitching"

NO ACTUALLY, IT'S YOU WHO LIVES HERE NOW. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HERE! NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER ORDER ME TO STOP ANYTHING. STOP BEING A BITCH! OH YEAH, AND I AM NOT YOUR FRIEND.
A SIGNED COPY OF [REALITY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T ACCEPT IT] COMING STRAIGHT TO YOU!

"Leave Columbus alone"

WHY, IS HE STARTING TO COMPLAIN? I THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD. OH YES HE IS... BURNING IN HELLLLLLL. OH, AND NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER ORDER ME TO LEAVE ANYONE ALONE. LEAVE YOUR MALE ROOMMATE'S ASSHOLE ALONE!

WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN NICE IF COLUMBPUS WOULD HAVE "LEFT THE NATIVE AMERICANS ALONE"?

AND SINCE YOU STILL CAN'T GRASP THE SUBJECT HERE, I AND NO OTHER NATIVE AMERICAN YOU WILL EVER MEET IS ASKING FOR ANYTHING WE FEEL IS "OWED" TO US. SO YOUR LITTLE POINT(LESS) IS UNMERITED.

"All this talk of stole what from whom"

ALL THIS TALK? WHAT AND WHOM? IT'S QUITE SIMPLE. YOU LIVE AND WORK HERE, THANKS TO THE RAPE, MURDER, AND GENOCIDE OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF AN ENTIRE CONTINENT, BY YOUR ANCESTORS, OF MINE. GET A CLUE.

"then they could write the history books"

NOT ENOUGH OF THEM LEFT THANKS TO YOUR PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE TWO BIG PROBLEMS. ONE, YOU PREFER LIES TO THE TRUTH. TWO, YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH.

JEEEEEZ, ALL OF THIS OVER IGNORANT WHITE PEOPLE......... (01-29-2004)

gt says:
Well, Mr. Native American, since you brought it up, maybe all peoples of the world should exchange money for past sins! The Japs owe the Chinese, big time. Spain and Portugal owe most of South America. Lets see, the Germans owe the Jews, the Vikings owe the Germans, the Italians owe the Ethiopians, the Brits owe India, Russia owes the Czechs, and Christ, don't even talk about the Romans! Them sumbitches owe everybody, but their all dead, so.......All this talk of stole what from whom. American Indians conquered plenty of other tribes and killed lots of Europeans in America. You live here now my friend, stop bitching. Leave Columbus alone. If the Cherokees could have built ship and sailed to Europe, maybe they could have "sparked genocide." And if the Indians ran the country, then they could write the history books. Jeez, all this over an album cover. (01-28-2004)

NATIVE AMERICAN! says:
Straybeat, maybe if you went to Iraq yourself you could hear what Native Americans are saying as the protect sorry motherfuckers like you and your freedom. And don't be surprised if you never hear Native Americans say anything. There aren't enough of them left to make much of a noise. As for your "Native American and the blacks seeking reparations:" comment? Tell me right now when you last heard a Native American seeking reparations? don't lump Native Americans in with Negroes! Native Americans deserve repartions! Negroes don't! Negroes were brought here. It took many years for them to benifit from it, but they did. Native Americans were already here. And they WERE benifitting from it, intil the white man stole everything from them. And they will never ever benifit from anything again. Oh they could ask, but then the white man would give, and then take it back later... Where do you fit in MY narrow picture????

You don't.............. (01-07-2004)

Straybeat (nobody@home.com) says:
As my friends know, I love a good debate (especially about music), but to you Native American and the blacks seeking reparations: My family (both paternal and maternal)came here a little over 100 years ago. Long after slavery was abolished and...ahem...native americans were already on reservations. We had nothing to do with either, but merely came to an existing civilization, looking for jobs and a better way of life. So here I am, over 100 years later, born and raised, and having nothing to do with anything. Where do I fit into your narrow picture? I don't have money, don't have land, don't hardly have the power to wield anything over you and your life? How am I or my family guilty of anything but being born?

Then, technically speaking history-wise, there was a war, native americans got their asses kicked and whitey took over. As I write this, it's now called Iraq. I haven't heard any stories of native americans laying down their guns in Iraq and saying,"Hey, wait a minute, this is what you did to us!"

Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side in the reservation debate and all that goes with it. If someone came to me and said, "From now on, you're living in Cleveland!" There would be a fight! If I lost, then, "Hello Euclid Avenue!" That's life.

The same goes for the blacks who bitch about white men owning everything. Historically, they came here, plowed the land, built the factories, yada, yada, yada. To the blacks I say, go to college, get a degree, open your own bank, just like the white men did, and start your own legacy. But if you're going to drop out of the 9th grade, smoke dope and bitch about everything, you're what we call a ghetto dweller. Deal!

Judge Mathis, Samuel Jackson and Dr. Dre were all poor once. Look where they're at now! Get a clue. (01-06-2004)

Native American says:
BTW, for all of you idiot assholes who think Columbus discovered America. He did not discover jack shit. It had already been here for millions of years with the native people living on it. He sparked the near genocide of an entire country and race of people. (01-05-2004)

NATIVE AMERICAN! says:
"At least when the Native Americans (I hate that phrase with a passion)"

I agree with what you said Paul, except it is true that most people would rather say "INDIAN". I am not one who thinks everything should be "politically correct". However, I am a HUGE fan of simply trying to be "correct". For instance, if I said ain't instead of aren't, it might go unnoticed, but still wrong. Not morally wrong, just "incorrect" wrong. I still say "faggot" instead of "Will", or "charming same-sex partner preferred individual". I still say deaf and blind instead of hearing and seeing impaired, etc, etc. But if I called a Mexican a Swede, that would not be "politically incorrect", it would simply be "incorrect". A while back people thought it would sound nicer to say "American Indian", which is still as incorrect as "Indian". Then someone decided to call them (us) "Native Americans". Which is "CORRECT". Oh, we could call ourselves simply "Americans", but then how would we be able to distinguish between the nonwhite Americans who are indigenous to this Country and the white Americans who are on Native Americans land that was stolen from them by whites from other countries? That is why it is necessary to say it. What else can we call them/us? When that genocidal son of a bitch Columbus came here, he thought he was in India. He fucked up. Otherwise we would have been simply called "AMERICANS" and all of the whites that came over and killed and stole this land, would be called "AMERICAN CITZENS". It is not a matter of being respectful, politically correct, or anything else. It is just a matter of being correct. Anything less, makes one look as dumb as Christopher Columbpus. (01-04-2004)

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